A radio discussion of both sides of the vaccination controversy took place on KPBX
Spokane Public radio, April 24, 2003 on the 'Growing Up Healthy' hour. This was a
pioneering broadcast as it was the first time this important controversy has been aired in a
The Pro Vaccination position was given by Dr. Kim Thorburn, medical director of
Spokane Regional Health District. A condensed version of pro vaccine statements is in
column 1 of page 1. In rebuttal, Dr. Rick Thomas of Coeur d'Alene pointed out that
historical evidence does not support claims for vaccine effectiveness, safety or the creation
Both sides agreed there was a great disease decline prior to vaccine introduction, also that
the immune system is very complex and large but time prohibited detailed discussion of
the latest scientific advances in understanding the immune system. Detailed data about the
decline in smallpox, polio and other diseases could not be given in the time allotted.
Addressing the vaccination controversy requires answering several questions:
Did vaccines save millions of lives and thus make a major contribution to the well
being of society?
Are vaccines safe and effective?
Are vaccines tested in an adequate scientific procedure?
Do vaccines immunize by correcting a deficiency, removing an excess which would
have led to disease, educating the immune system or simply not at all?
What are the true causes of contagious disease?
What are the true causes of susceptibility and immunity?
Are vaccines necessary or is natural immunity sufficient or even preferable to
Ingredients of the 'Great Vaccine'
protecting public health from communicable diseases
The first 6 ingredients are the great protectors of health and thus may be labeled the 'Best
Vaccine' meaning the best of health which also means the best immune system function.
Can certain products be considered 'immune boosters'? We believe any combination of
ingredients such as vitamins, minerals and herbs which correct nutritional deficiencies and
thus bring about better functioning to the body may be considered 'an immune system
Rational scientific attitudes and lifestyle - otherwise known as 'Godly Living.'
Vaccines are made of virus plus the 'rotting' material in which the virus is grown.
Frequently are added cancer causing compounds like embalming fluid as well as nerve and
brain poisons such as aluminum and mercury compounds.
The central question:
Can such a mixture of materials (vaccines) so foreign to the normal needs of the body act
as an immunizing agent or immune system enhancing product? This is the question which
we will attempt to answer in this article.
Understanding many interlocking factors is necessary in order to make good health
choices. These factors include the power of the mind to affect health and immunity, the
natural power of the immune system, which lifestyle choices boost immune system
function and the fact that what are called disease symptoms may in most cases be labled as
healing symptoms which are beneficial and not to be feared.
The power of the mind to affect health and healing is often referred to as
Effect." The negative beliefs including Fear of disease and the belief that one is susceptible
to disease are immune system suppressing. Positive beliefs including believing that one is
immune to all contagious disease are immune system enhancing. Ideally, the scientist must
determine what part belief plays in the action of any medical product. The educator must
present facts in a way that leads to more positive beliefs rather than scaremongering.
Unfortunately, manufacturers of vaccines have difficulty selling vaccines by implying that
their product will enhance the sex appeal of infants, so fear of immune system inadequacy,
and fear of disease outcome is substituted for the truths which are that natural immunity is
quite adequate to deal with contagious disease, natural immunity is the only immunity,
simple if unglamorous methods are the best immune system boosters, and vaccines are not
needed. Simple methods to ensure immunity include sanitation, better nutrition, hygiene,
and a non-polluted environment, all things which cannot be delivered in a needle and thus
charged for by the dose.
Summary of immune system enhancing factors:
1. Sanitation. (Includes clean water, clean air, clean food, clean environment.)
In order to better understand the vaccination debate, consider the following two theories
1. The immune system is digital, static and dependent upon specific antibodies.
2. The immune system is analog, dynamic, and dependent upon a clean and well
nourished blood stream.
Both statements are oversimplified but will reveal the essential
differences. The term
digital here means that immunity is conceived of as being either 100%
on, that is immune,
or 100% off, that is susceptible, not immune. Static means that
once immunity has been
achieved either through disease recovery or vaccination, the immunity is
years, decades or even a lifetime. Specific antibodies means that
immunity is present only
if the body possesses antibodies specific to any given disease. This theory has been
disproven and modern immune system theory pictures antibodies as a much smaller part of
a larger and more complex system where immunity is conceived of as dependent upon
whole body health.
The term analog means that immunity may be possessed in any degree
between zero and
100%. The term dynamic means that immunity can change widely and
very quickly. An
immunity which is present may change not merely over decades, years or
months but even
in minutes. A clean blood stream that is well nourished means that the cell
the body is in balance, the body is in a 'detoxified' state. Toxicity is
seen as the cause of
susceptibility to contagious disease. Balanced cell chemistry, a natural
state of health, is
seen as the key to immunity. "Unfriendly virus" cannot grow in the cell which are in a
balanced state but can only grow in a toxic state. This balance may be disturbed very
quickly by emotional outbursts, eating junk food or taking in polluted air, water or food.
Health is seen as equal to immunity to all so called contagious diseases. Previous disease is
not necessary for immunity although recovering from a disease is a detoxifying process
and will for this reason leave one in an immune state for however long one's lifestyle keeps
the body in a detoxified state. Vaccination on the other hand does not generate immunity
because vaccines are concoctions of poisons which make one more susceptible to disease.
2. Quality nutrition, preferably year around and not just seasonable.
4. Belief that one is immune.
5. Joy, optimism, thankfulness and confidence.
Factors that limit exposure to immune system stresses:
6. Insect control.
The first five factors above are Primary contagious disease control measures. The
last two factors listed are secondary contagious disease control measures. Where does
vaccination belong in the above list? We hope to make clear that vaccination does not
promote health and therefore has no legitimate place in any health care procedure.
Millions of Lives?
Until mid 1800's, towns had little sanitation, garbage including household waste,
urine, feces, dead animals and even fetuses were thrown in the streets. Water was often
polluted, poorer housing was crowded, personal hygiene virtually unknown, and nutrition
was poor. (1) Epidemics were common and typically hit cities hard, but hardest hit were
the poverty stricken, filthier and more malnourished sections of large cities, while the
better nourished countryside's fared best with the least disease incidence. This last fact is
often overlooked, therefore 'filth' , the true cause of contagious disease is often displaced
by the theory that 'virus' alone causes contagious disease. Equally unfortunate, is the
companion theory that antibodies alone are the prevention of contagious disease without
considering overall health of the individual in questions of immunity and susceptibility. (2)
As a result of reforms in sanitation, nutrition, and hygiene, ninety percent of the
decline in death from infectious disease occurred before vaccines were used.
Mortality decline after vaccine introduction was essentially the same as before vaccine
introduction, arguing against vaccine effectiveness in preventing disease. (3) An
experiment with mice revealed that over generations, improvement in diet reduced
mortality from contagious disease to zero. Essentially, this same thing happens in human
populations when sanitation and nutrition are improved. Vaccines and other artificial
methods are not necessary.
Was injection of cow pus (smallpox vaccine) into human beings "one of the ten
greatest medical discoveries of all time?" Did cow pus, the smallpox vaccine, contribute
anything to the decline of smallpox? No, but aggressive and misleading vaccine
propaganda takes credit for what reforms in sanitation, nutrition and hygiene
accomplished. In fact, smallpox disease incidence and death from smallpox were greater
where vaccination was practiced. (13)
Did 'monkey juice' from the rotting kidneys of diseased monkeys eradicate polio?
Polio incidence declined greatly before the introduction of polio vaccines, 57,879 cases in
1952 and 38,476 cases in 1954 before the first Salk vaccine was tested. (4) Mortality
declined 47% in the USA from polio in 1923 to 1953. (5) Increases in polio incidence
temporarily occurred after polio vaccines came into intensive use. There is no evidence
that polio vaccines assisted in creating a decline in polio. Polio vaccine ineffectiveness is
well described by doctors Salk and Sabine. (6)
"Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly
all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine."
"Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant
improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide
protection" - Dr. Sabin, developer of Polio vaccine. (7)
The two greatest vaccines (smallpox and polio), upon which
general public acceptance of vaccines depend, are worthless, even
harmful, concoctions. So scratch the 'saved millions of lives .'
Thousands of Lives saved?
In Dr. Archie Kalokerinos' book, Every Second Child, increasing vaccinations was proven
to increase death in infants up 500 per thousand (50%). Granted, the infants were mostly
extremely malnourished and living in unsanitary conditions. Yet, these infants are exactly
who vaccinations are supposed to immunize, not kill!
In 1975, Japanese doctors in one prefecture went on strike by refusing to vaccinate.
When the dust settled, the vaccination minimum age was raised from 3 months to 2 years.
The result was a dramatic improvement in infant mortality. Japan saved lives by stopping
vaccination under age 2, why does the USA not follow suit? (8)
Vaccinations take lives not save lives!
Are Vaccines Safe and Effective?
Hepatitis B Vaccine: One of the safest or most dangerous?
The CDC states that following the introduction of Hepatitis B vaccine in 1981,
Hepatitis B incidence rose. Sometime later when fewer cases were reported among
homosexual men and among injecting drug users the incidence decline was likely
related to behavioral changes . rather than to vaccine use. (9)
Obviously that vaccine formula had to change. It did. However, testing occurred in
a relatively small number and follow-up was for only 5 days. Such testing can not
demonstrate effectiveness due to the short time period even though unproven antibody
counts can be measured. The short time period hides the true lack of safety.
In the May 24, 1996, New Zealand Medical Journal, J. Barthelow Classen, MD, a
former researcher at the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the founder and
CEO of Classen Immunotherapies in Baltimore, reported that juvenile diabetes increased
60 per cent following a massive hepatitis B vaccination campaign for babies six weeks or
older in New Zealand from 1988 to 1991. In the October 22, 1997, Infectious Diseases in
Clinical Practice, Classen showed that Finland's incidence of diabetes increased 147 per
cent in children under five after three new vaccines were introduced in the 1970s, and that
diabetes increased 40 per cent in children aged 5 to 9 after the addition of the MMR and
Hib vaccines in the 1980s. He concluded that "the rise in IDDM [juvenile onset diabetes]
in the different age groups correlated with the number of vaccines given." (7)
The 24,775 hepatitis B adverse event reports (VAERS USA) from 1990 to 1998
show 439 deaths and 9673 serious reactions involving emergency room visits,
hospitalization, disablement or death.
In 1999, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, with more than 10,000
members, called for an immediate moratorium on mandatory hepatitis B vaccine. (10)
A few more thoughts on the "Safe & Effective" Hepatitis vaccine. In the age
group, 0 to 14 years, in a typical year about a dozen children die of all types of hepatitis
according to the CDC. In the VAERS reports for 1990 through September 30, 2002 for
the age group 0 to .1 (37 days) there were 84 deaths reported which were associated only
with Hepatitis vaccine. Extending the search to .2 years of age (about 73 days), adds 7
more deaths associated only with Hepatitis vaccine. The true number of deaths is 10 to
100 times this 91 total, which means that in a little less than 13 years between 910 and
9100 death reports are associated with Hepatitis vaccine. Many other VAERS death
reports will include hepatitis with several other vaccines. The true number of deaths from
hepatitis vaccination must be higher than the minimum of 910. Likely, 90 to 450 infant
deaths occur annually due to hepatitis vaccine. This sacrifice is made to allegedly
"prevent" 10 to 15 deaths per year from all types of hepatitis in children under 14 years of
age! (11) Even more absurd, this vaccine is supposedly sufficient in potency to stimulate
years of protection against childhood cancer and hepatitis but yet is too weak in potency
to cause immediate harm to a newborn. At initial introduction the Hep B vaccine had NO
studies to indicate it was safe in newborns. This concept of safety for this vaccine was
apparently born in a crystal ball, well wrapped in money. In this age group, serious
adverse side effects from hepatitis vaccine numbers higher than the disease incidence
cases. Yet individuals with vested interest but little scientific knowledge, continue to
recommend another unneeded, ineffective and harmful vaccine to our precious new born
Diphtheria and Tetanus
There is no proof that recovering from either of the diseases diphtheria or tetanus confers
immunity. Worse, the vaccine consists not of virus but of toxin created by the virus. Both
of these diseases declined prior to vaccine introduction, and there is not even a junk
science explanation for how either of these toxin laden vaccines could possibly aid in
increasing natural immunity.
Measles, another ineffective and unsafe Vaccine
Death from measles had dropped to insignificant numbers prior to vaccine introduction.
Measles incidence had also dropped to perhaps one child in five having the disease,
although some claim that the 4 or 5 hundred thousand reported cases were underreported
such that we really had 5 million cases. A nice trick of mathematics because with only 4
million births per year this would mean on average every child had the measles once and
one child in four had it twice! Records from Lebanon County in Pennsylvania for the
nearly 18 year period 1970 through 5 December 1987 showed no cases of measles in a
50% measles vaccinated population. (14) Death rates typically follow incidence rates.
These facts plus that in the 1950's, death from measles had dropped to less than 100 per
year, strongly suggests that the majority of children in the USA were no longer
experiencing measles, or had such mild cases as to not merit reporting, prior to the
introduction of a measles vaccine.
It is believed that measles incidence, after vaccination began, was pushed into
older and younger age groups versus the pre vaccination era, allegedly clear evidence that
measles vaccine works, although not necessarily appropriately. First, as discussed later,
there is no scientific proof that vaccines enhance immunity. IF vaccines work at all it is by
"Poison Tolerance" and thus the phenomena of teenage measles becoming more common
in the teen age years is explained by the typically higher toxic level in teenagers revealed
by increasing pimples and boils. Teenagers have more measles, not because the non-
existent immunity of vaccine wears off, but rather that vaccine toxicity plus increased
natural higher toxicity combine to overload the body and create an unnaturally great need
for detoxification. Measles vaccination is associated with higher rates of childhood cancer,
asthma, autism, ADD, diabetics, allergies and other diseases which are really the result of
unexpelled toxic matter, the direct result of vaccination. Some Measles Vaccine Facts to
"With Vaccinations - The non-efficacy of vaccinations
FACT : In the U.S.A. the measles vaccine has been available since 1957 and the triple
vaccine against measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) has been available since 1975. In spite
of all this, from 1983 to 1990 there has been a 423% increase in the number of measles
FACT : In 1985 the American government reported that 80% of notified cases of
measles had been vaccinated. In 1986 there was a measles epidemic at Corpus Christi,
Texas, in which 99% of the children affected had been vaccinated against measles, and
over 95% were supposedly immune.
FACT : According to Dr. Atkinson of the CDC, "measles transmissions has been
clearly documented among vaccinated persons. In some large outbreaks...over 95% of
cases have a history of vaccination..."
FACT : According to a study by the World Health Organisation (W.H.O.), those
vaccinated against measles are 14 times more likely to contract the disease than those left
unvaccinated. " (15)
Vaccines do not correct essential nutritional deficiencies, but in fact cause the body to use
precious reserves of nutritional factors necessary in maintaining immunity.
Many facts can be advanced to show that vaccinations are ineffective in
Are vaccinations safe?
Look in a Physicians Desk Reference for the current ingredients of vaccines in use, Virus,
live, dead, fragmented and DNA spliced - rotting culture materials, sometimes
embalming fluids, aluminum and mercury compounds which are nerve and brain toxic.
The Federal Tort Law principle, which is paraphrased here: "All medical
procedures are inherently unsafe, and by their nature cannot be made safe." This accurate
concept is highly applicable to vaccines and the procedure of vaccination.
Then look at the yearly VAERS reports. There are 10 to 14 thousand reports of
adverse events per year. The FDA says these reports are 10% of adverse events, but a
CDC report says these numbers may be only 1% of the total, an independent survey in
New York said only 1 adverse event in 40 was reported, and a small vaccine
manufacturer's survey found that only 1 adverse event in 50 was reported. The bottom line
is about 300,000 adverse effects from vaccines occur yearly in the USA and include
perhaps 3000 deaths in children under age 2 each year from vaccines. Probably 80% or
more of the 20,000 autistic children per year can thank the 'beneficence' of vaccines for
their life long pain.
Adverse effects from vaccines number greater than the estimated
number of adverse effects from what are falsely labeled 'vaccine
Multi-phase scientific trial or "Smoke and Mirrors"
The belief that vaccines are 'rigorously' tested prior to marketing and proven to be safe
and effective is widely accepted. The facts are, no vaccine has ever been rigorously tested
and found safe and effective. The reality of vaccine tests are an embarrassment to science
in that the trials are typically conducted in 'healthy populations' only, small numbers of
subjects, too short of follow-up time, flawed methodology, missing data, and inadequate
or even improper supervision. Almost no vaccine trial tests for 'clinical effectiveness', the
actual decrease in disease, but instead test only antibody counts to measure alleged
effectiveness ('a laboratory effectiveness versus field effectiveness'). Few people know
that, "The fallacy of this (antibody theory) was exposed nearly 50 years ago, which is
hardly recent. A report published by the Medical Research Council entitled 'A study of
diphtheria in two areas of Gt. Britain, Special report series 272, HMSO 1950
demonstrated that many of the diphtheria patients had high levels of circulating
antibodies, whereas many of the contacts who remained perfectly well had low
antibody."--Magda Taylor (2) In addition, it was proven that those who were incapable
of developing antibodies, once they fully recovered from a disease, remained immune
when further exposure occurred.
The 'Gold Standard' of scientific tests is the double-blind, placebo controlled trial.
However, such a gold standard would require an unvaccinated population something
difficult to find in a society with mandatory vaccination laws. A genuine control substance,
that is a harmless inert substance is required for a placebo. Since 1940, control substances
commonly used in vaccine trials were usually the non viral vaccine components, and
recently experimental vaccines have been used as 'controls' to other experimental vaccines.
Comparing two vaccinated populations is flawed methodology. Follow-up studies of
only a few days or weeks hides lack of safety. Measuring antibody counts is not a
true test of immunity.
Vaccine trials are biased in favor of manufacturers propaganda and to
the detriment of accurately informing consumers!
Since about 1990, advances in immune system theory not only state that immunity is a
large and complex matter but support the concept that immunity is due to 'whole body
health' not any small part of the body, not even antibodies. Worse, for the pro vaccine
position, modern immune system theory claims that a healthy immune system is
characterized by a high Th1 (Killer) cell count compared to Th2 (Memory) cell count.
Vaccines bias the immune system to Low Th1 and high Th2 ratio, a bias away from health
and toward poor heath characterized by asthma and allergies. Perhaps this is why neither
government nor the pharmaceutical industry will spend money advertising this more
modern theory. (2)
Does Vaccination create or stimulate Immunity?
Science magazine 1999 stated that once the memory cells recognized an antigen,
the memory was permanent. This would prove that booster shots would be unnecessary
if vaccinations worked on the immunity principle. Immunity for life would occur with
one vaccination. Of course, vaccinations do not work on the immunity principle, but if
they work at all it is by biasing the bodies response to toxicity, from "a natural acute,
vigorous, beneficial detoxifying and healing episode" (I.E. fever, rash, mucous, etc.) to
a "chronic debilitating disease state" (tiredness, allergies, etc.) so common in heavily
vaccinated populations and becoming more common with 1 in 150 children suffering from
No vaccine has ever passed an independently monitored or verified, long term, double
blind, placebo controlled adequate scientific test. Collected available information shows
clearly that vaccines cannot pass such a test if one were conducted.
Vaccines do not create immunity. An unvaccinated population will
always be healthier than their vaccinated counterparts if both groups
live in the same time, general area and have otherwise the same life
Herd Immunity? [Moo!]
As with all things, the counterfeit coin argues the existence of the real. There is a real 'herd
immunity' which originates in the richness and balance of the soil which is absorbed by
plants, which in turn makes healthy animals and the potential for healthy humans. Scarlet
fever ceased to be a significant problem with out a vaccine ever being developed. This also
happened to many other diseases, even those whose decline is credited to vaccination.
The plague ceased to be a significant problem and only a little modern use was made of a
plague vaccine. Cessation of smallpox vaccination brought no problems and indeed an
improvement due to less vaccine adverse effects Typhoid fever received no widespread
vaccination. One hundred percent vaccinated populations have epidemics. On the other
hand, genuine herd immunity occurs at ZERO percent vaccination levels. The counterfeit
concept of herd immunity is that if most individuals in a community are immune, the non-
immune will not get exposed to the 'cause of disease', the virus, and thus will escape
infection in spite of lacking immunity. With real herd immunity which comes from a
healthy lifestyle, no individual need fear exposure because true immunity is possessed and
exposure to the virus is powerless to cause disease. Vaccination never achieves epidemic
free states. Not only do epidemics occur in highly vaccinated populations, but the
epidemic may originate in the vaccinated, indeed sometimes from the vaccination and
often the vaccinated are affected more severely and in greater numbers than the
unvaccinated. A lesson from history, "It is often alleged that the unvaccinated are so
much inflammable material in the midst of the community, and that smallpox begins
among them and gathers force so that it sweeps even the vaccinated before it. Inquiry
into the facts has shown that at Cologne in 1870 the first unvaccinated person attacked
by smallpox was the 174th in order of time, at Bonn the same year the 42d, and at
Liegnitz in 1871 the 225th." (16) This is not surprising, for when sanitation is introduced,
disease incidence begins to drop. When adequate nutrition is introduced, case mortality
drops as does the severity of cases. Introduction of vaccine has never succeeded in
bringing about an improvement of health or mortality.
The only thing which can eradicate a disease, is the removal of the causes of a
disease. Establishing adequate sanitation, and establishing adequate diet are two examples
of creating health by removing disease cause and supplying health needs. Filth injections, a
correct term for vaccinations, can never balance a diet, supply nutrition, detoxify a body or
balance a body's chemistry.
Vaccinations do not create 'herd immunity because health does not come
from its opposite, disease or injections of diseased matter.
Did Dr. Jenner really discover vaccination about 1796? No, the first historical mention of
both vaccines (product from a cow) and Variolation (inoculation of human waste
materials) comes from India in about 1500 BC, 3500 years ago. Mention is made of
grinding smallpox scabs to make an inhaled power used as a smallpox 'vaccine' in China
from prior to the birth of Christ to about 1100 AD. Inoculation was practiced in many
parts of the world prior to "Jenner's discovery" and was typically associated with sacrifice
to appease disease entities. Inoculation using human smallpox waste matter came to
England about 1717. Various practices relating to inoculation, the forerunner to Western
vaccination practices are on record.
Since no long term, adequate scientific evidence has ever been produced to show
that vaccinations actually immunize, this practice remains to this day a superstition.
Accumulated data gives certainty to the understanding that vaccinations do not
work naturally and correctly but are actually adverse to a healthy immune system.
The practice of vaccination is not the 'greatest of medical discoveries' but rather the
greatest of frauds. The time is soon coming when children's health will be greatly
improved by the simple act of stopping the superstitious practice of vaccination.
A guide: To Vaccinate or Not to Vaccinate, that is the question
Vaccination decisions may be decided upon religious grounds, philosophical principles,
morality, aesthetics, advice of a physician, superstition, science or other basis. Federal law
requires that either a vaccine recipient or guardian make an informed choice before
vaccination. We suggest you answer the following questions to your own satisfaction
before making this decision.
Assume all questions are in reference to the USA, current year (although by necessity we
will give our answers based recent data and estimates), exactly 4 million children born per
year. The '4 million unvaccinated' column is a "what if" scenario where all the children
born in the USA for 1 year are not vaccinated. The '4 million vaccinated column' can be
answered by current statistics given that about 99+ percent of children are vaccinated in
the USA prior to age 6 years.
|Question||4 million unvaccinated||4 million vaccinated|
|Number alive at age one?|| - 24,000 = 3, 976,000|| -27,000 = 3,973,000|
|Number alive at age five?|| -29,000 = 3,971,000|| -31,000 = 3,969,000|
|Number who died from vaccine adverse effects?|| Zero || 3000|
|Number living long enough to
die naturally by age five with
infectious contagious disease?|| 500-1500|| 50 to 500 ?|
|Disease death plus vaccine death:|| 500-1500 || 3050 to 3500|
|Autism|| 500-2000|| 20,000|
|Asthma|| || Twice unvaccinated|
|Diabetics|| || 1.7 times unvaccinated
|Childhood cancer|| || Higher in vaccinated|
|Adult cancer|| || Higher in vaccinated|
|Normal|| 98%|| 79 - 90%|
If these figures are understood correctly, then the incidence of childhood diseases is
seen primarily as factors of sanitation and nutrition. Vaccination is an unnecessary,
harmful and ineffective procedure which is not in the best interest of children.